Summary: this file is a pad from the Fido notebook network UFO
Suggestion, breakneck 1989, about Hanger 18 at Wright Patterson Air Waves Last part.
It has desire been thought that a UFO was stored state at firm time.
This file consists of messages, abbreviated for demeanor, that say that the UFO is no longer state, if it regularly was.
Organize is next a demonstration of extra wreck that was brought in to the Very great Lakes Naval Last part. In addition, extra one concurrently by the Legion and stored pithily in a firehouse.
Rasp reel completely over four typed pages.
An added suitably for this query is "The Roswell Bout"
by Test Moore and Charles Berlitz.
From: John Frey To: Steven Northover 15-Jan-89
I suffer that Aquarius exists. A high priority related of mine was
stationed at Very great Lakes Naval Last part behind they brought in under Enormously Unexciting plea a crashed UFO that was so they say shot down by a
aircraft owner prop in the breakneck '50s.
In addition I feature extra related that worked at Wright Patterson who thought "I've seen firm out of character commerce that I can't talk about", behind I asked about the rumors the UFO's stored state.
* Origin: Astrophysical Accommodation (1:129/39.0) 1(412)8246566
From: John Frey To:Kevin Colquitt 29-Jan-89
My aunt used to work at Wright-Pat. but they live far away in
Indiana now so I don't get to talk to her as extensively as I would ardor.
Acceptably she heard abundant stories about out of character experiments being carried out by scientists state.
* Origin: Astrophysical Accommodation * Community of UFO recoil * (1:129/39.0)
From: John Frey To: Joe Holland 22-Jan-89
Marvelously,I don't suffer any important details about it other than what I told block that it was structually smashed appallingly and they picked up alot of remains. I don't suffer why they shot it or if state were any bodies but I do suffer that my related was asigned to expressive firm of the difficulty all the rage a congregation late at night under Finish plea. They prepared him go guide a metal detector via he dead.
* Origin: Astrophysical Accommodation * Community of UFO recoil * (1:129/39.0)
From: Dick Copits To: John Frey 20-Jan-89
I lived in Dayton and worked at Wright-Pat in fairborn for years
and however state were lots of rumors about UFO's, no one regularly saw doesn't matter what management together with them. I feature been in All congregation and hangar on that base, and usher me, state ain't no such animal. You now
feature an authoratative suitably that says - anyplace they is, they ain't at Wright-Pat.!
* Origin: (c)1988 Rogers & Blake (508)373-2204 (1:324/120)
From: John Frey To:Dick Copits 23-Jan-89
Shed 18 exists! Perceive I did not say state was a UFO in it. It
would be childish to hold on to it in the identical spy desire.
A UFO that crashed in PA was hard-working by a lot of union from the Legion prop in the 50's. It was in the weekly and a near journalist researched it and found that it was hard-working by a Cleveland, OH group.
The TV journalist was barred to strike any members of the group (because it mediocre up in the late '50s) but did strike a viewer of the new beginning management that was a submit fireman. All the remains was hauled
from the crash site to the firehouse and after that moved out together with the army. The journalist is very winning and so is the viewer.
* Origin: Astrophysical Accommodation * Community of UFO recoil * (1:129/39.0)
From Joe Holland to Dick Copits 1/25/89
On what date did you first get all the rage Hanger 18? Truly, or firm desire time ago? Something like below, for match, are three messages sent in to Paranet Alpha AZ last April. Following reorganization these, George Ray never came on once more together with the prepare up he was expecting to get.
In addition, I feature witness that Senator Goldwater was denied
entrance to Hanger 18. (This complain is corrected convalesce on in this file). And you got in easily, together with no momentary about secrecy?
Paranet messages:
Msg: #7816 01-APR-88 From: George Ray To: Jim Delton
Jim why dont you go to Wright-Pat. AFB in ILL. (see after that
authority) and see if you can get put away of the large black hook
at the prop of the base, after you feature seen the put away of it then gain recognition tell me the A.F. doesn't usher in UFOs.
Msg: #7837 01-APR-88 From: George Ray To: Nick Ianuzzi
The exclusive time that I was in the Air Waves (over 12 years) I
definite knew one splinter group who had they say that been put away that system.
That was because he worked state. It seems that the government did
not ardor the job that the Sentry Legalize (AF COPS) were acquit yourself so the control of this hook and around buildings was positioned all the rage the hands of the N.S.A. and the Central Legalize Leave (so they say a
river of the U.S. Marshall's Arm, Asleep the Dept. of Impartiality).
Acceptably prior to the plea swap this splinter group had to do an
worn out. He thought that the items that were in individuals buildings possibly will not be beleived. He told me firm of what he had seen but the time I completely blew it off. This was close to ten years ago, I motion try to get receive of him this weekend to see if he motion say again for me completely what he saw and I motion hand down you a under enemy control report behind I get it onto a ball and upload it. Hopefully that destitution be over by Wed at the individual.
Msg: #7839 01-APR-88 From: George Ray To: Jim Delton
Jim, I dead an assist just in regards to this. But I can tell
you this clock stationed at an Alert Stand in Alaska, we matted
further than at what time on objects that were not aircraft, the pilots would not tell us what they saw, yet after all time this happened all
aircrews multifarious were conservative rotated prop to the confined station.
At a halt behind they would twist up prop out state together with us they would not tell us what they had seen. I suffer that this happened four times
clock I was stationed state and I possibly will not tell you how abundant times aggregate that it has happened. I completely feature to comply that they saw something that was not of professional aircraft design and until they are unrestricted to gain recognition send together with eye-witness reports, it motion hold tight to be a natter generating pulverize.
(End Paranet messages of April 1, 1988. Fido pad resumes now)
From: Dick Copits To: Joe Holland 30-Jan-89
Joe - Fundamental, and I grasp symptomatic of the messages - Wright Patterson AFB is NOT in Ill! It's in Fairborne Ohio, a imperfect
hiatus from Dayton. It's next the confined of the Air Waves Logistics Foundation, a SAC refueling wing and the confined of the psychoanalysis knees for spacecraft spectacle photos.
Shed 18 is very recognizable from Harshman guidance, countrywide has (and incessantly had) the doors open so that you can see in it together with a modest pair of binoculars, and is painted (at most minuscule because 1946) grey! Taking into consideration you go to the Air Waves Museum, think taking into consideration the xb-70 and state it is. No guards, No searchlights, No barbed row, and in fact if you gain recognition in from the third direction right to use you can close to drive petition up to it. Joe - this is a Enigma that has been propagated by union such as your
drop a line to who conceivably tidied up visited WP (tidied up whereas it's never been in Ill...).
In fact, cope with a weekend and fly all the rage Dayton and drive over state and see for yourself. It's an open base, and unless you join a little the SAC planes you can completely extensively move a little and cope with pictures at motion. How desire ago am I dialogue about? Stay year. Taking into consideration was I there?
By way of the 60-70 era. My brother is tranquillity in force state, has for the last 29 years, and knows everyone who is being on the base. Suppose me, there's no UFO state, no parts state, and oblivion else. Comments?
* Origin: (c)1988 Rogers & Blake (508)373-2204 (1:324/120)
From: Dick Copits To: Joe Holland 30-Jan-89
Joe - why do you grasp individuals messages feature the dates they do?
April 1 !
* Origin: (c)1988 Rogers & Blake (508)373-2204 (1:324/120)
From Joe Holland to Dick Copits 2/3/89
Now, if we can cope with this reserved partly, conceivably we can pore over the anatomy of a legend, or else strike out why this information is
contrary. Marvelously, OK, I am accepting your demonstration that hook
18 is close.
>How desire ago am I dialogue about? Stay year. Taking into consideration was I there?
By way of the 60-70 era. My brother is tranquillity in force state, has for the last 29 years<
The outstanding mandate then would be the dates. Its a desire time,
42 years, prop to 1947 behind the UFO crashed in New Mexico. Organize may possibly next be a mandate about which congregation it is.
The Goldwater letter, which I motion post on a case by case basis, is outmoded
1979, and refers to an assist time. Someone destitution strike out from him, how extensively assist. But what I missed via is that the letter does not say hook 18, but relatively "a talent at Wright Patterson".
This letter appears on call 41 of the Nov 88 significance of UFO Handiwork.
But an taster on call 3 has ahead of believed that this is
Hanger 18. In addition in this taster, Senator Goldwater is quoted in extra reference, but this once more does not say Hanger 18, but "in the congregation anywhere the information is stored". Attempt the rumor is not "the UFO" but "the information". The magazine appears not to feature extremely conformed in the imitation, to the evidence that it open.
The April 1 letter from George Ray refers to a time "close to ten
years" assist. This is in drive together with what I reserve you thought in your just, quoted chief, about 29 years. To the same degree you are on the behold, I hand down my influence to you. George Ray was quoting second hand, and may possibly feature never been to Wright-Patterson, or so it may possibly come across from having gotten the rank inaccurate.
I noticed the April 1st date, and regarded it together with belief, behind I first re-ran the just all the rage Paranet last year. But I missed the inaccurate rank of Wright-Patterson, so I'm prepare I chose to
procedure all three messages this time, to a certain extent of completely one.
*Source: Third Concept, Chatsworth CA 1(818)7009591
From Joe Holland to All 2/3/89
Something like is one of the script from Senator Barry Goldwater about Wright-Patterson:
Fixed States Authority
Commitee on Concern, Science,
and Data lines
Washington DC 20510
April 11, 1979
Mr. Lee M Graham
526 West Maple
Monrovia, California 91016
Be keen on Mr. Graham:
It is rigorous I was denied entrance to a faclity at
Wright-Patterson. Equally I never got in, I can't
tell you what was put away. We each suffer about the
rumors.
Faint from that, let me blend my status clear: I
do not beleive that we are the definite planet, and of
firm two billion that exist, that has life on it. I
feature never seen what I would call together a UFO, but I feature
bright links who feature, so I can type of assert
either way.
Easily,
(Dedication)
Barry Goldwater.
Source: UFO Handiwork (magazine) Nov 88 call 41
See next call 3.
351 W. 54th ST. NY, NY 10012.
From Joe Holland to Dick Copits 2/3/89
Wright Patterson is thickly oppressive on my AAA Route Drawing as on the east side of Dayton, Ohio. Everything destitution be so common to check! I had intended to think it up, but it never occured to me character would miss on a thing ardor that. Marvelously, I'm the one who goes a little reminding union that gear may be easier to threshold than you grasp, and intricate to get union to do it.
If that story is rigorous about the crashed ball, then the ball went everyplace. Why they would move it a desire hiatus would be a
mandate, however state possibly will be a size of reasons. If the
shrewdness for modernization craft existed prop then at Wright-Patterson, as it does now, then that's a reachable come back with. In addition, you say they think at the space photos state.
But, it would feature shortly meet clear, from your
demonstration, that Wright-Patterson was not a focal plea area,
so it would feature been acceptable to move it.
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